Nemsky: You can see that the money pumped into Russia is turning against us

State Commissioner for Strategic Energy Infrastructure, Piotr, said in an afternoon conversation on RMF FM radio. He admitted that it was impossible to quickly abandon Russian oil in Poland. “Two thirds of the crude oil processed in Polish refineries, that is, fuel production for the Polish market, still comes from Russia,” he says, but he acknowledges, however, that diversification of supplies is still in progress. The share of Russian oil in Polish refineries. Today it is 60 percent in Block ”- noted Nemsky.

The Minister of Foreign Affairs in the Prime Minister’s Office said that we have the infrastructure to bring any crude oil to Polish refineries. What is happening in Poland at the moment is the economic reasons for our refineries. They have to make way. You can see that the money pumped into Russia is turning against us. This is not only a Polish situation, but a European situation as well Nemsky said.

Moving away from gas will be more difficult, as it will take from Europe 2-3 years, according to Nemsky. The missing parts of the gas pipelines that will connect the stations must be built, because the stations are already there. The capacity or potential for gas reception at stations in Western Europe is large, and it is still not used. But there is a shortage of gas pipelines that will feed gas into the systems from gas stations. It will take some time. It’s a matter of strategic decisions and money – Says.

The State Commissioner for Energy asserts that Europe will have a bigger problem than us in terms of replacing Russian supplies. We are in a better position in Poland, because we are implementing a strategy of diversifying supply trends and if we stop receiving Russian gas from the East overnight, we will be able to keep up. – said guest Marek Teichmann.

It is hard to believe in a non-imperial Russia. Russian imperialism was tsarist, it was Soviet, Bolshevik, and Putin now. This is still Russian imperialism, which has various tools at its disposal, but the territorial gains of this empire are still fundamental. Reclaiming the place where Russia ruled is the strategy of everyone in power in Moscow. You have to account for that. This is something we live with. These are our neighbors. We must remember this and be alert – said Piotr Naimski, Foreign Minister in the Prime Minister’s Chancellery and Government Commissioner for Strategic Energy Infrastructure, in the online segment of the afternoon conversation at RMF FM.

Marek Tiegmann asked his guest about changing Germany’s position on European sanctions against Russia. According to the minister, “Germany as a group has a great ability to bring about sudden changes.” This shift happened in March 1933, this shift happened in May 1945, this shift also happened in November 1989. This ability to change – by 180 degrees as the Germans write it themselves – in one day, in one letter is dangerous. Because we don’t know in which direction Germany will turn 180 degrees in an instant – said Nemsky.

Piotr Naimski also revealed when the first nuclear power plant will be built in Poland. We expect in 2033. Preparations for it are really intense – said Nemsky. We want to build six large reactors that will give us about 20-25 percent. Energy production in the first half of the forties of the last century, a very serious and massive program for the Polish state. It must be managed consistently by many governments and many politicians. In fact, for an entire generation – added.

Marek Tejsmann, RMF FM: Mr. MInistrze, we have heard about these children fleeing Ukraine with their mothersAnd They are fleeing the war. A questionAnd Have we been refueling and buying gas for years and not giving?We lied Putin’s money to buy missiles that are now striking in Ukrainian cities?

Peter Nemsky: Everyone who bought oil and gas from the Russian Federation and continues to buy it contributes to the Russian budget, and this budget is largely devoted to weapons. this is the truth.

Is it possible to refuel in Poland without paying Putin money?

No, this cannot be done today, unfortunately, because two-thirds of the crude oil processed in Polish refineries, that is, fuel production for the Polish market, still comes from Russia.

What to do to end this? I want to pay more, will I be able to refuel not from Putin if I pay 7, 8, 9 PLN per liter?

This is a longer process. This diversification, that is, diversification of the directions of crude oil supplies to Poland, is being carried out. We started not too long ago with more than 90 percent. The share of Russian oil in Polish refineries. Today, it is 60 percent in Pocock. Unfortunately, this is a longer process, but what is happening in Ukraine, the war in Ukraine, changes perspective. Don’t make us think it’s worth paying more. Because solidarity and security must cost money. This is what is currently being discussed in Europe. This is under discussion in the West.

do youThere is a question of price, tn. If we pay more for petrol, it can be bought in Arab countriesit is true that it would be more expensive to provide, but if this is oil, or is it something that we do not have the infrastructure to allow us to do?

We have an infrastructure in Poland that allows us to bring any crude oil to Polish refineries …

In what quantity?

in the required quantity. What is happening in Poland at the moment is the economic considerations of our refineries and they have to give way. You can see that this money pumped into Russia is simply turning against us. This is not just a Polish situation. It is a European situation, if we limit ourselves to Europe. Certainly European countries have a role in it. This is a question of a common European decision and we are one step away from making it. The decision to stop the purchase of gas and traffic in Russia by the Europeans.

Because I understand snot MNote that this cannot be done So that, for example, Polish refineries, such as Orlen and Lotos, say, “We only buy from countries other than Russia,” especially from Arab countries and America. Because if we did it ourselves, we would immediately be unable to compete against refineries in other countries that might import Russian oil, so it must be a joint European decision.

It must be a European decision of solidarity. Because these competitive advantages in fact, or we might say – competitive inferiority that may affect the only person who might make such a decision – can be very difficult economically. That is why it is about the whole of Europe and this is what is worth addressing at the moment. And it will be more, at least temporarily, it will be more.

if? Minister, I’m sorry for your question, but the people in the cars are listening to us.

I can’t, sir, I know you’re asking me. Today I can not say whether this is an embargo on Russian oil in Europe, and how much it will raise the price of gasoline in European countries, including Poland. I can’t say that today. I don’t know if anyone can say that today. Because it depends on the global market. It depends on how the crude oil market behaves, the crude oil producers. There will be significant disruption, but it will stabilize later, and will simply be replaced by these Russian supplies.

And technically? Staying consistent with the oil. Technically, Europe is able to take so much oil and process it to handle it without Russian oil?

Yes, technically it is capable. Poland can, too.

Now let’s move on to the gas, because that’s the problem. Is Europe technically capable of doing this? How long will it take for her to adapt? Because we know that there may be, say, a lot of gas stations in Spain, but not in Central Europe. There is no good infrastructure between Spain and Germany for example. How fast can we cut off Russian gas?

It would take, hard to say, two or three years. Because the missing parts of the pipelines and gas pipelines that will connect the stations need to be built. Due to the presence of the stations, the capacity or the possibility of receiving gas at the stations, at gas stations in Western Europe, is large and is still not used. But there is a shortage of gas pipelines that will enter this gas from ports, from gas stations to systems. It will take some time. It is a matter of strategic decisions, and also a matter of money. Today, overnight, Europe will have huge problems replacing Russian supplies. It can be said that we in Poland are in a better position. Because we are implementing our strategy of diversifying supply trends in Poland and if we stop receiving Russian gas from the East overnight, we will be able to keep up. Admittedly in a state of crisis, and starting from the end of this year in normal situations. It’s better, better than anywhere else.

Had it not been for the fact that Leszek Miller’s government stopped the connections you were building under the Jerzy Buzek government with Norway, we could have been without Russian gas for years. I’m really sorry about that, I have to say.

This is correct. I also regret it. I had the honor, one might say, and simply participated in those projects that the SLD government had spoiled.

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